Yet another persian carpet
Ah yes, the arab's favorite word: dialog. I believe the muslims love this word because it can be used in so many different ways.
Among the most common usages is "I prefer dialog." Whenever an arab uses this what you are really hearing is "I need a break from getting my ass kicked"
I first encountered this sentence in bing West's book No True Glory. The Marines had just watched the Fallujah brigade fail completely. The city had become the epicenter of terror in Iraq and was the lair of Zarqawhi. during a meeting between the USMC commanders and the "city elders" a sunni spokesman uttered the now infamous sentence. Of course he also denied that there were any foreign fighters in the city and went on to demand that America send money to Fallujah but stay out of the city.
the Marines replied: "We'll see you in the city." The Sunni negotiator was lying. He knew he was lying, he also knew that the Marines were aware that what he said was false. The fact that he could say these things with a straight face is indicative of the people we are confronting in the war against Islamic Terror.
My point is straightforward: our patience with "negotiation" should be reaching its end. We should have seen enough.
Many of us watched in horror as the so called "global community" allowed Yassir Arafat to run roughshod over them. Perhaps the pinnacle of his perfidy, and the nadir of the west's credulity was the Nobel Peace Prize. Peace, as we now know, was the last thing Arafat desired. His duplicity was surpassed only by his rapacity. I remain firmly convinced that the only reason he lingered on in that French hospital was that satan needed a few days to coax Hitler out of the front seat in hell.
How about a more geostrategic and contemporary example. Here's the AP report on Germany's reaction to Iran's most recent response to demands that it cease its efforts to aquire nuclear weapons:
BERLIN - Germany said Thursday that Iran's response to a package of incentives for halting its nuclear program appears unsatisfactory because it is missing a reference to whether Tehran will suspend uranium enrichment. "We are still examining it, but from everything that I hear we cannot be satisfied," Chancellor Angela Merkel said in an interview with N24 television.
Iran's track record is also quite clear. They negotiated with the Europeans while simultaneously engaging in forbidden development. They simply lied. For years they lied and the western powers in a spasm of gullible denial continued to offer greater and greater incentives to the people who had sworn to kill them.
In the coming weeks we will hear many demands for "dialog" or "negotiation" with the muslims who are intent upon killing us. We must be prepared to respond to these demands with well reasoned arguments. These arguments must speak to the rational and emotional aspects of this issue.
The arguments against negotiation are clear. Negotiation is only effective when the parties are honest in their words and in their intent. As the three examples here indicate, our enemy demonstrates no such honesty. Is there any reason to believe that the Iranians, who selected Ahmandinejihadi as there public face, will adhere to any committment they make? At this point the only words uttered by any Iranian leader that we should accept at face value is their sworn oath to destroy Israel and America.
Why would anyone in their right mind spend a minute of their precious time negotiating with Nasrallah? This guy is in the Arafat league to be sure and nothing he says, except of course his vow to kill jews, should be given any plausiblity at all.
Yes, the arabs use negotiation as a fundamental tool in their culture. Everything and everybody has a price. The life expectancy of any given committment is based on the time it takes to get a better offer. If I seem unPC, its because I am. We are confronting a dysfunctional culture and the cultural imperatives that the Muslims bring to the bargaining table must be well understood.
At this late date, it is after all almost september 29, 1938, it simply foolish to expect negotiation to bear fruit. A leopard is a leopard, a terror master who has sworn to kill us is a terror master who has sworn to kill us.
so from a rational point of view negotiation with the Iranians, the syrians, the Hezbullah or the palestinians is pointless. They have no ability to act in an honest manner nor will they adhere to the committments they keep. Perhaps keeping committments is just a quaint western custom that has be outmoded by the WIIFM of the modern world, but certainly negotiation is meaningless without it.
The emotional side of this is also important to understand. Few on the western side of this conflict desire a broader, more deadly war. However, many simply refuse to see this threat. Some refuse to view the past record of Arab duplicity as an indicator of future performance. some demand that the species instantly evolve past this need for violence.
This is denial. Pure unadulterated denial. The same dynamic that keeps alcoholics drinking and battered wives at home. Pure simple denial. We have seen this denial in action before. Again, september, 1938. that inability to confront the threat in its early stages cost 40 million lives. The difficult choices forced upon the leaders of the free world once the threat could no longer be denied resulted in the virtual enslavement of much of eastern Europe.
History is clear: the differential between acting now and acting later can be measured in human lives. A bitter confrontation in continental europe in 1937, a more active response to the axis involvement in spain, a more open minded view of the issues raised by the people who defied their government and fought against the axis proxy might well have spared the world enormous sorrow.
the indications were clear, Hitler had no intention of adhering to any agreement he made. The provision of men and material to spain in flagrant violation of international treaty should have alerted the world yet the demands for negotiation continued unabated. So, too, in our time the emotional driver for this very same demand is a thoughtless hope that the comfortable numbness of denial continues if only for a day and even at a terrible cost.
Perhaps its time to meet with a few counselors at my local drug treatment center. I imagine these people know quite a bit about denial. Perhaps a study of this dynamic will help us learn how to overcome it. For denial will get us killed.
Among the most common usages is "I prefer dialog." Whenever an arab uses this what you are really hearing is "I need a break from getting my ass kicked"
I first encountered this sentence in bing West's book No True Glory. The Marines had just watched the Fallujah brigade fail completely. The city had become the epicenter of terror in Iraq and was the lair of Zarqawhi. during a meeting between the USMC commanders and the "city elders" a sunni spokesman uttered the now infamous sentence. Of course he also denied that there were any foreign fighters in the city and went on to demand that America send money to Fallujah but stay out of the city.
the Marines replied: "We'll see you in the city." The Sunni negotiator was lying. He knew he was lying, he also knew that the Marines were aware that what he said was false. The fact that he could say these things with a straight face is indicative of the people we are confronting in the war against Islamic Terror.
My point is straightforward: our patience with "negotiation" should be reaching its end. We should have seen enough.
Many of us watched in horror as the so called "global community" allowed Yassir Arafat to run roughshod over them. Perhaps the pinnacle of his perfidy, and the nadir of the west's credulity was the Nobel Peace Prize. Peace, as we now know, was the last thing Arafat desired. His duplicity was surpassed only by his rapacity. I remain firmly convinced that the only reason he lingered on in that French hospital was that satan needed a few days to coax Hitler out of the front seat in hell.
How about a more geostrategic and contemporary example. Here's the AP report on Germany's reaction to Iran's most recent response to demands that it cease its efforts to aquire nuclear weapons:
BERLIN - Germany said Thursday that Iran's response to a package of incentives for halting its nuclear program appears unsatisfactory because it is missing a reference to whether Tehran will suspend uranium enrichment. "We are still examining it, but from everything that I hear we cannot be satisfied," Chancellor Angela Merkel said in an interview with N24 television.
Iran's track record is also quite clear. They negotiated with the Europeans while simultaneously engaging in forbidden development. They simply lied. For years they lied and the western powers in a spasm of gullible denial continued to offer greater and greater incentives to the people who had sworn to kill them.
In the coming weeks we will hear many demands for "dialog" or "negotiation" with the muslims who are intent upon killing us. We must be prepared to respond to these demands with well reasoned arguments. These arguments must speak to the rational and emotional aspects of this issue.
The arguments against negotiation are clear. Negotiation is only effective when the parties are honest in their words and in their intent. As the three examples here indicate, our enemy demonstrates no such honesty. Is there any reason to believe that the Iranians, who selected Ahmandinejihadi as there public face, will adhere to any committment they make? At this point the only words uttered by any Iranian leader that we should accept at face value is their sworn oath to destroy Israel and America.
Why would anyone in their right mind spend a minute of their precious time negotiating with Nasrallah? This guy is in the Arafat league to be sure and nothing he says, except of course his vow to kill jews, should be given any plausiblity at all.
Yes, the arabs use negotiation as a fundamental tool in their culture. Everything and everybody has a price. The life expectancy of any given committment is based on the time it takes to get a better offer. If I seem unPC, its because I am. We are confronting a dysfunctional culture and the cultural imperatives that the Muslims bring to the bargaining table must be well understood.
At this late date, it is after all almost september 29, 1938, it simply foolish to expect negotiation to bear fruit. A leopard is a leopard, a terror master who has sworn to kill us is a terror master who has sworn to kill us.
so from a rational point of view negotiation with the Iranians, the syrians, the Hezbullah or the palestinians is pointless. They have no ability to act in an honest manner nor will they adhere to the committments they keep. Perhaps keeping committments is just a quaint western custom that has be outmoded by the WIIFM of the modern world, but certainly negotiation is meaningless without it.
The emotional side of this is also important to understand. Few on the western side of this conflict desire a broader, more deadly war. However, many simply refuse to see this threat. Some refuse to view the past record of Arab duplicity as an indicator of future performance. some demand that the species instantly evolve past this need for violence.
This is denial. Pure unadulterated denial. The same dynamic that keeps alcoholics drinking and battered wives at home. Pure simple denial. We have seen this denial in action before. Again, september, 1938. that inability to confront the threat in its early stages cost 40 million lives. The difficult choices forced upon the leaders of the free world once the threat could no longer be denied resulted in the virtual enslavement of much of eastern Europe.
History is clear: the differential between acting now and acting later can be measured in human lives. A bitter confrontation in continental europe in 1937, a more active response to the axis involvement in spain, a more open minded view of the issues raised by the people who defied their government and fought against the axis proxy might well have spared the world enormous sorrow.
the indications were clear, Hitler had no intention of adhering to any agreement he made. The provision of men and material to spain in flagrant violation of international treaty should have alerted the world yet the demands for negotiation continued unabated. So, too, in our time the emotional driver for this very same demand is a thoughtless hope that the comfortable numbness of denial continues if only for a day and even at a terrible cost.
Perhaps its time to meet with a few counselors at my local drug treatment center. I imagine these people know quite a bit about denial. Perhaps a study of this dynamic will help us learn how to overcome it. For denial will get us killed.
posted by skipsailing | 10:03 AM
3 Comments:
Honesty? Ah yes, we here in the middle east call that Taqiyya. It is a most ancient tradition in our culture. Salaam. :)
Darn, I didn't mean to put a cork in the conversation pipe.
Yes you did Mike H!
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